INSTAGRAM: @cardboard_chronicles But in general, over the course of my first full year back in the hobby, the market, especially for graded cards, has been trending up, up, and up. CORPORATE PROFILE Southern Globe Corporation – established in 2012 – supplies top-quality aircraft parts to its primary client, Susi Air. this is the card business. But what if you are that rare breed, the patient collector? This almost seems like our hobby equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome. This is SCG’s time to gain ground and I hope they give PSA a run for their money. It’s pretty clear that three grading companies simply isn’t enough. Is anyone else having issues with CGC turn around times? Any reason its PSA you chose versus Beckett? Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. There is a recent youtube interview from Cardboard Chronicles with the SGC grader for why they went from different service levels to either "I NEED IT NOW" or "I can wait for it. Thankfully for collectors, PSA has legit competitors. , 2018 TOPPS UPDATE RONALD ACUNA JR. PSA 10. Sometimes, though much less often, I’ve sold and it drops. CSG Grading Tiers. Those people praising SGC were bashing PSA because of their slow turns -- they have now become pretty quiet lately as SGC has become backed up as well. SGC turnaround times? Apparently, collectors don’t believe they will lose only “nickels and dimes” with an SGC graded silver Luka – NOT ONE SGC SOLD OR LISTED IN THE LAST 30 DAYS. One is slabgate relating to the concerns about PSA and the hit on their integrity of grading and trimmed cards. Thoughts and opinions are those of the author. Priced at a minimum of $10 per card, it matches the amount SGC has charged most customers for years. I have recently made some SGC purchases that seemed like the deal of a lifetime and per your data/examples maybe I paod exactly what they are worth or more. I sent 10 '59 baseball cards to be graded there and the turnaround time is like 75-80+ days, which to me is absurd. I believe my third submission came back sooner than 20 days. If collectors want the hobby cashflow that graded cards bring, it’s a no-brainer. no wait, no black hole, just 'there it is". One level of service is simply titled, “I Can Wait.” As opposed to offering any sort of guaranteed turnaround time for graded cards, the service offers no specific time frame. Please complete the following information, and upon review, we will provide more information and pricing. Max. I’m currently in a position to grade some lesser value cards and given the fact that I don’t believe the market for these cards will be hot for the months (and months!) They’re also cheaper – regular service is $10 per card versus $20 per card with PSA. READ OUR FULL DISCLAIMER HERE. You mean where SGC pretty much said send everything you have even though they couldn't accommodate? 8.30- LATE Party Time with DJ Grant & Amazing Tunes - R&B, Party Classics, Mainstream Dance Tunes plus member requests. Also one other company i will throw out that i have looked at but don’t know enough about , GMA . 1 EpisodesProduced by Chris MorrisWebsite. But my personal experience told me it’s not that close, so I felt compelled to take a deeper dive. I have been monitoring the price of SGC graded Luka’s and unfortunately, compared to PSA, the resale value of SGC graded modern cards is not there yet. Rest in Peace SGC. Grading / Certifying. Based on my personal experience with SGC’s service and the present chatter in the hobby, there are certainly positives there, and maybe SGC will find a way to eventually close the proverbial gap with PSA. I’m a collector who is just getting back into the hobby and looking to have a lot of decent value cards graded, mainly some vintage up to 1989 UD Griffey’s. I have a few questions if you dont mind. Local Service in Boca Raton, Florida. 4. I was the shift I presently hearing so much about. Three times, actually. I do have faith SGC can get it together and their rep up so the cards they slab are equal to Beckett/PSA. And probably going to get worse. I think that distinction is enough for this article. https://anchor.fm/app To me, it more about eye appeal. But that is not generally the case as we all know . Turnaround times are approximate and not guaranteed. Stay-at-home mandates have crippled operations at the industry leader in grading, PSA. Here’s a fun one – before you sub with SGC, ask yourself this simple question: how many SGC graded cards do I buy? SGC is “good for vintage,” right? As I write this, PSA has partially reopened but is still not at full capacity. Similar stories for my SGC 10 2018 Topps Update Gleyber Torres US99 (not US200, fair enough). Full time 9 to 5. I know many industry influencers are, but until I see the results from sales no reason for me to switch. For $100 per card, you can expect a turnaround time of roughly 3-5 days. consistency with grading, turnaround and customer service. In a letter released by SGC President Peter Steinberg, it was explained that moving forward, collectors will have two options when it comes to grading cards. I’d be more inclined to do that with an SGC 9.5 and hope for the ‘bump up’ with PSA 10 than take an SGC 10 and pray for an equal grade elsewhere. From SGC for Cards Received by them on July 13, 2020 for 20 day turn-around: I had two 45 Day turnaround submissions out before they changed the turnaround times. Next. I know you briefly touched on it, but could that work? We make should be making the rules. “No one,” was my answer to self. SGC Services has been a major player since 1992, in providing quality HRO services to leading companies and being a partner in their growth. SGC Pricing Estimated Turn-Around Times The main thing I want to know is that someone has examined the card and declared it in great condition. There are no special membership fees to submit cards. If I call those $550 each, that’s $580 per on average. My Griffey came back from PSA as inauthentic, but I opened the sealed set myself and know it is authentic, so that was the basis for my sending to SGC. Go ahead and sell your SGC 10 Zion now for $385. For $10 per card, you can expect a turnaround time of … nothing will never be on time. PSA is a division of Collector’s Universe (CLCT), a publicly traded company. 2-day service level; 5-day service level; 10-day service level; 30-day service level . This is a great response. I was banking on the shrewd collector who thinks they could reslab it with PSA, get the PSA 10. You're at about 5 business days from when it was entered at this point. PSA is the leader today and their service fell off a cliff (long before Covid). simple. Great article. I stopped on April 13th, though I’m sure there are at least that many in the earlier part of April. This is the main driver pumping SGC at the moment, the motivation behind the claim that SGC is emerging fast. Collectors and Flippers need to take back their power. Sometimes you need to get a card graded and flipped ASAP before missing a profit window. This popular card, at SGC 9.5, sat in my eBay store for weeks. So let me grade my PC Zion with SGC and I’ll grade my Zions for a flip with PSA. All Comics Trading Cards Magazines Concert Posters Lobby Cards. One can only wonder. Value per Card (USD) Fee Per Card (USD) Current Turnaround (working days) Unlimited WalkThrough. This is in line with my personal experience – SGC slabs do not sell at an even remote rate of PSA slabs; therefore, collectors won’t grade with them, hence fewer listings. 21 min JUN 3. If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. Baseball Card Grading Submission with SGC offers online submission form, and fast turnaround times. SGC is so much faster than their competitors. SGC turnaround times cannot be beaten. you could pay PSA who is quicker than SGC or BGS for a 20 day turnaround and you'll get the cards 4-6 months later. Please note that turnaround times are estimates. Well my point is that PSA has multiple turnaround options some are very much on time like the express service, the bulk is what takes forever but this seems to have gotten slightly better as well. Turnaround times vary with demand. Now, the good part is that they do mention they will be providing estimates of those turnaround times on their website. All CSG Grading Tiers CSG Add-On Services CSG ReHolders Other CSG Services. “Card in-hand” – that’s the main argument to seek an alternative to PSA during this crisis. Back in October, I sent a package of about 20 cards off to SGC for grading. Adds Value To Cards – This point is somewhat debatable. This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. In fairness, Alonso did move relatively quickly. And an SGC 7 sold for $85. I am not sure what I will do yet, probably won’t submit anything until later this year. I have seen the same with toy trains. Hello - The turnaround times vary with our submission volume and will be longer in periods of high demand. From time to time their customer service practices could use improvement including: responding to voice mails, responding to emails in a timely fashion (24 hour turn-around), ensuring the staff members who answer the phone are knowledgeable in all areas and well versed. Max. I have never seen any grading company have such a limited option and. Besides the SLOWER flip, my personal experience also revealed a wider sales price gap. Uniquely, the Little Celeste can even produce its own energy, recovering and reusing the electricity it generates each time it lowers a load. Thank for sharing your opinion on this subject. Although most of us would love to see SGC emerge as a competitor to PSA/BGS, I really couldn’t agree more with your conclusions in this article. But both of these assumptions are bad because they render the core value proposition pointless. In fairness, it is presently selling for only $30 in PSA 10. Who We Are. In stark contrast, I found THIRTEEN PSA 9 Solds since April 13th! Silver Luka? Great article. Now that a lot of folks started sending their cards to SGC to get that "quick turnaround", that "quick turnaround" has now become a long waiting game, just as it is with PSA and BGS. Not Now. Any declared value. I also wouldn’t do it with just any card. While all Sarens’ other SGCs are hydraulic cranes, the SGC-90 can be connected to the electric grid and be fully powered without a traditional fuel source. Compare that to the $450 average of SGC 9, and you’re losing roughly 60%, or $260 on this particular card, SGC vs. PSA. As you can safely assume from reading this, while I’m tempted to get a quick batch of graded cards in my hands asap, I won’t be subbing with SGC. This article does a good job supporting what I found anecdotally – that PSA cards command the most value and liquidity in the market. Not the grade and not the grading company. An almost 30% markup for this card when sold in a PSA slab. People – and especially collectors – by nature, are not patient. “I am a pioneer, and I will single-handedly change the grading game!” I have many delusions, and this one ranked up there with the best of them. Fast turnaround – GMA Grading boasts a 7 day turnaround time. That’s a total of 28 PSA Solds since April 13th vs 4 SGC Solds in the last 30 days. But the idea of my cards appreciating in a PSA storage room, yielding a substantially greater ROI vs. SGC when I finally get them back, that’s a win for me, every time. Last edited: Jan 13, 2016. SGC says the estimated turnaround time will be updated on its website every few days. 150 2016 SGC. This time, though, there has been a small delay. We can all agree those are the only 3 companies that have real protocols for grading. Let’s look at recent comps. Maybe it’s because I’m a relative neophyte when it comes to graded cards, but when buying I don’t mind going with SGC; especially if it’s at a substantial discount to PSA. Orders must be postmarked by the expiration date in order to receive the special Cards that require custom inserts cannot be included with these specials SGC accepts submissions from all customers. Our staff of friendly and dedicated employees offer over 250 years of experience in the comic book market place, and look forward to assisting you. But from what I can see, that’s not happening anytime soon, and I can’t afford to lose the hobby dollars waiting for it. Here’s another SGC theory out there in the hobby: “Use SGC for PC and PSA for flipping.” This! Cards valued at $50,000 and up. Right now we are letting one company dictate them for us. Meanwhile, I’ll keep an eye on the market and on the lookout for articles such as this to help inform my future buying/selling/grading decisions. Take a look below and look for yourself. so I am looking to get started by grading 50-100 cards and I have been looking closely at PSA and other competitors for my business. Wonderful to see a data based analysis of this very topical issue. one bulk submission can take down an entire grading company. Join our Membership Program now for card picks, analytics, premium community access and much more! WHY IS IT NOT EVEN CLOSE? It definitely could be a profitable practice but requires effort, patience, and risk. Looking at some of the 10s coming out of PSA, I think some people may be overpaying for a grade that the card doesn’t warrant. SGC is so much faster than their competitors. It is just unacceptable. “Who among us had the guts and vision to sub such a card with SGC?” I thought. Collecting is a hobby – COVID is life and death. I doubt I will sell any of my cards. That’s $225 more than the most recent SGC 10 Solds average, an almost 40% markup. At $12 via eBay Best Offer, how could I pass it up? It seems turn-around is measured in business days from the day after entered in their system; not day the package arrives. My 2018 Topps Update Ronald Acuna US250 sparkled in its SGC slab. Default Free … I think their slabs are actually the best looking of the three companies, with the black background making the art on the card pop. Beckett/CBCS offices will be closed for Walk-in drop-offs and pickups, effective July 27, 2020. EXPEDITED SERVICE $ 50 /ticket. The turnaround time with my bulk submission group is 20 business days. But there were eight PSA 10 sales in THE LAST WEEK (!! Ready to take your sports card investing to the next level? Another quantified the difference in ROI as “nickels and dimes.” And fellow collectors backed these statements, via comments or likes, justifying the belief that it’s time to sub with SGC. I am returning as a collector after a 30-year hiatus. There’s no guaranteed turnaround time for graded cards, and the service offers no specific time frame. one bulk submission can take down an entire grading company. I have a hard time believing the PSA graders are markedly better at their job than the SGC graders. Delays are inevitable, and they’re the final chunk in understanding PSA turnaround times. I’ve subbed multiple times with SGC since my re-entry into the hobby in early 2019. So while I didn’t lose a boatload of cash at SGC 10 on the Gleyber (or the Alonso), I did lose 25-50% on both and Gleyber took an extremely long time to sell. They are all being "influxed". Makes sense/cents to me. I thought I was ahead of the curve, onto something big. You may find an exception here and there (Griffey Upper Deck Rookie) but overall, over time, folks still love Topps. And since BGS sales prices are comparable to PSA, this study dismisses them only on the grounds of not being an intriguing comparison, and nothing else. It’s a basic service, but it’s a decent option if you’re working within a tight budget. It’s almost like we are arguing over who has the best chicken sandwich, Popeye’s or Chik-Fil-A, (Chik-Fil-A is the answer, by the way). No, I haven't called or emailed them about my submission yet. this is the card business. Print Fee Chart. Twenty DAYS! I Can Wait has no set deadline. Specials do not apply to On-Site grading rates. That way, you’ll have an idea of how long it might take before sending your order in. At PSA 10, they would have been off my eBay shelf soon after listing, as is the case with many of my high-grade PSA listings. For more information on the Gold Club please call (800)742-9212 and speak to Matt, Tyler, or Douglas. If you invested in CLCT stock, then I understand the impetus for trying to promote PSA, but in reality those investors will make more money when all three services thrive, and grading becomes the defacto standard for all card sales. Bulk, or Value subs, are listed on the PSA website at a turnaround time of “100+ days,” with an emphasis on the “+.” That’s tough. don't sweat it. Average Solds of these SGC 5s was roughly $250, with an SGC 7.5 selling for a solid $1475 on March 15. CGC Grading CGC. The estimates posted on our website are reflective of the length of time the submissions currently shipping out took to complete service. More Sports Documentaries?? The reality: return on investment with SGC was slow. I don’t trust them not to protect their pop report. Coterminous grants also showed minor improvement at 58 days average compared with 63 days previously. I was on the fence between selling them raw vs grade. Like PSA, they also offer higher priced submissions based on turnaround time and declared value. I have never … In the last 30 days, I count 7 SGC Solds in this grade range, most of them at SGC 5. ), so I looked at SGC 7 to SGC 9 and compared it to the same for PSA. Create New Account. Amazing article Steve. TOP 5 Sports Cards Going UP! Stop submitting to PSA! 4 out of 5 stars. The prices are not as drilled down as some might like, but I feel it’s enough for this quick study. Go PSA. SGC is providing better service today, which is why they are becoming more prominent. All at once, the entire hobby sent us their cards and was excited to give SGC a try. I was selling these cards in the midst of the baseball playoffs (early to mid-October), and they were GEM MINT SGC 10!! Full time 9 to 5. Menu. 5,674 people follow this. They provide a detailed report on your card's key characteristics. There is one simple solution. Loved loved the article. 0. miller777 Posts: 42 July 7, 2020 4:44PM. I have seen the prices you are talking and your are spot on. I’m okay with the latter. you could pay PSA who is quicker than SGC or BGS for a 20 day turnaround and you'll get the cards 4-6 months later. All CSG Grading Tiers CSG Add-On Services CSG ReHolders Other CSG Services. I won’t send them another card. Thank you for your interest in joining The Boardroom, our exclusive private membership group. So tell me, as it pertains to Zion, why would any collector sub with SGC? I counted 12 SGC 10 Solds of this popular base Prizm card in the last 30 days, with the last Sold on April 29th. Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. Stories shared online reflect dozens of orders currently exceeding 100 business days. I’m the patient collector. Priced at a minimum of $10 per card, it matches the amount SGC has charged most customers for years. So my novice question is why would anyone use SGC over a PSA on courts of higher value? All “Solds” are per eBay. AND my SGC 10 2019 Topps Chrome Pete Alonso #204. Respectful, thoughtful, and truthful! CCS Pressing CCS. Where is it now? Great article! Updates on the card world and a weekly hit of the week. Heck, I’m writing this and diving into the numbers because I, MYSELF, AM CONSIDERING ANOTHER SGC SUB AT THIS VERY MOMENT! Ever. Perhaps, if it’s a classic card that I know will likely never depreciate in value I’d wait it out with PSA, but I still think I’m going to go with SGC for the non-high value cards that I’m looking to move before the market for them potentially cools off. For example, you might inform your clients that their gallery of images will be ready about 4 weeks after the wedding. Almost double. SGC “Regular Service” turnaround times are stated at 20 days on their website and cards seem to be coming back to collectors at or ahead of this schedule. wait til sports cards get involved. Great articles from all and definitely touched most pros & cons . PSA and BGS are both in a massive backlog, and I've heard accounts of people waiting 6+ months to get their cards back. PSA, SGC, and Beckett are generally the only three US grading companies accepted pretty widely by collectors. But if MY answer is “I don’t buy SGC” and YOUR answer is the same, it probably speaks strongly to the market for these cards, and is another simple measure to substantiate the fact that SGC has a long way to go before catching up with PSA. I have 2 subs in with SGC - one is 1 card and the other is 3. Doesn't that bode as well for PSA and BVG???? From popular Facebook groups to prominent YouTubers (I see you PSA Collector!) When were no longer here and these assets out live us, the quality of the asset will determine our legacy. Of all the posts i’ve read on this site, I would say this is hands down my favorite. The Gold Club specials are for SGC Gold Club members ONLY. So….I’ll wait. It’s an argument that PSA cannot win, definitely not now, and not even pre-COVID. Shotgun Turnaround Times. A lot of great quantitative data but this is just bashing a competitor that is substantially gaining market share comparable to just 90 days ago. Here’s a look at NHL rookies to watch in 2021, Three Underrated Soccer Statistics To Use When Finding Prospects, Top 12 Basketball Card Investments for the 2020-21 Season, The Ultimate Guide to Alexis Lafreniere Cards. About See All. What I sent to CGC isn't, so time does play a huge part in it. ), along with many other cards. The turnaround time was supposed to be 20 days. I also talk about SGC turnaround times and the all new pop report. PSA and BGS are both in a massive backlog, and I've heard accounts of people waiting 6+ months to get their cards back. Not every collector is, and I get it. This service level was billed at 20 days pre-COVID but often hovered around the 30-day mark (at best). I don’t trust them not to get lazy and just slap grades on cards. https://anchor.fm/app. I also found FIFTEEN PSA 8s! Eventually, I posted the card on my Instagram account – and I had to really work it to sell. Even COVID hasn’t slowed it. But three PSA 4s averaged $290, higher than the $250 average of the SGC 5s, and three PSA 5s did an average of $350 or better, $100 higher than its SGC 5 counterpart. SGC. If you are, the data suggests that grading with SGC is not the answer for you. SGC grants showed slight improvement from a 68 day average in 2017 to 61 days in 2018 – a reduction of a week. Thanks to Finagle's Law (or just ignorant writers), on TV a system's failsafe will never work when it's needed the most, nor will it actually be failsafe—usually it'll be quite the opposite, sometimes referred to as 'fail deadly'. As an afterthought, I just checked out the price of CLCT stock. Podcaster Tools Podcaster Login. CGC Sig Series SigSeries. Therefore, I have a Zion in my PC that’s worth ALMOST HALF a PSA Zion?!?! In the interim, they revised their turnaround times to the current estimated 40 business day model. Otherwise, even though I can get a lower bulk rate and quicker turnaround, have not been able to submit an SGC order. Personally, I have purchased ONE SINGLE SGC CARD for my PC. Ease of submission. I was told it would be 3 more weeks. Other than what is listed on the BGS grading form of course. Maximum fee $2,500. GMA’s 7 day turnaround is perfect for that. I want to know the condition of my card relative to a consistent benchmark. Nickels and dimes? And after looking at recent Solds, it’s clear to me that if I do go with SGC, I cannot, will not sub any of my big cards. Fast turnaround – GMA Grading boasts a 7 day turnaround time. Likes Comments. See more of SGC on Facebook. However, I am less of a seller and more of a collector. For ex, lots of Jordan’s for 86-88 fleer, Montana rookie, some vintage mantles etc. At those numbers, I’m with you – give me my cards, I’ll absorb this modest bottom-line hit. The national averages were 61 days and 59 days respectively. 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